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Where Can Gas Logs Be Installed?
Learn how to determine if you can burn gas logs in your fireplace.

Believe it or not...gas logs, are not safe to install in gas fireplaces (with few exceptions). Sounds odd, but it's quite true. Gas logs are actually made to be installed in wood burning fireplaces as a way of converting them to gas. They are not made to "spruce up" a poorly designed gas fireplace like those you see in many condos and apartments...and yes, maybe even in your home. Bottom line is, if you install a gas log in a gas fireplace that was not designed to accommodate them, you might end up asphyxiating yourself or burning your house down. So before you buy gas logs, you must know what type of fireplace you have...and if it is safe to burn gas logs in it. The information on this page will help you do just that.

VENTED GAS LOGS: Vented gas logs can be installed in any fireplace that is fully capable of burning wood. Vented gas logs must be burned with the damper open (or partially opened depending on how well the fireplace drafts). Vented gas logs can also be installed in outdoor fireplaces and fire pits that meet local building codes. You CANNOT install vented gas logs in any gas fireplace or gas stove or ventless firebox.

VENTLESS GAS LOGS: Ventless gas logs can be installed in any fireplace that is fully capable of burning wood and are burned with the damper closed. Ventless logs can also be installed in some approved ventless fireboxes, providing the firebox is specifically rated for the use of aftermarket ventless logs and not a specific proprietary ventless log supplied by the fireplace manufacturer. A ventless fireplace has no chimney or damper. You CANNOT install ventless gas log in any other type of gas fireplace or gas stove. Important Note: Ventless gas logs are NOT legal in some states, cities or municipalities. You must check with your local building department to see if they are legal in your area. Ventless gas logs are not legal throughout the entire state of California!

How do I know what type of fireplace I have and is it safe to burn gas logs in it?

You need to know if you have a wood buring or gas burning fireplace. If it is a wood burning fireplace, then you can probably install gas logs in it. If it is not a wood burning fireplace, then you most likely CANNOT install gas logs in it (except for a few Ventless fireboxes as described below). If you do not know if you have a wood burning fireplace or not, the information on this page will help you make that determination, but first, look inside your fireplace to see if there are any metal parts aside from the damper. If there are, then it is probably some type of prefabricated fireplace. If that is the case, there should be a metal label with the brand name and model number located somewhere inside the fireplace. That label might also have some stipulations as to what you can burn in it. The label is usually somewhere near the opening, either on the sides (sometimes hidden by a mesh curtain) or on the upper front area just inside the opening. If you can find the label, try to Google the information on it to learn more about your fireplace. Often times you can find the owners manual online in a downloadable .pdf file. If you are still having difficulty determing what type of fireplace you have, just call us and we will help you figure it out. You can also take pictures of your fireplace and email them directly to me (the webmaster) at: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

Masonry Fireplaces:

OK for Vented Gas Logs
OK for Ventless Gas Logs

A typical masonry fireplace will have a firebox and chimney that is built from some type of masonry. For sake of discussion, a "Tilt-up" fireplace that is made completely out of concrete would be considered equivalent to masonry fireplace. Although the chimney outside the house may be covered with stucco, stone, or any other building material, the actual inside if the chimney on a masonry fireplace is often lined with an oval shaped clay flue liner, although some older homes do not have this. The flue inside the chimney of a masonry fireplace is usually rectangular or oval in shape and is normall 8" x 14" or larger (sometimes much larger). It is rare that a masonry fireplace has a flue that is smaller than this, so if your flue is smaller, then you may not have a masonry fireplace.

If your damper is a wide rectangular piece that opens and closes with a lever and your fireplace is capable of burning wood, then you have a masonry woodburning fireplace and it will be capable of burning vented or ventless gas logs. Always have your chimney inspected before burning wood in your fireplace or installing a gas log. If you have been told that there are cracks in your chimney and it is not safe to burn wood, then you cannot safely burn a vented gas log either because the exhaust may come into your home. In such cases, it may still be safe to burn a ventless gas log, but you must consult with a professional who is capable of inspecting your firebox and making the final determination.


Prefabricated Woodburing Fireplaces:

OK for Vented Gas Logs
*Maybe OK for Ventless Gas Logs

A Prefabricated (or zero clearance) wood burning fireplace is a metal box that is lined with refractory panels and has a round metal chimney anywhere from 8" to 15" in diameter. The metal box and pipe are built-in to the home with 2x4 construction and the chimney outside the house is usually covered with stucco, siding, or sometimes brick veneer or stone. If you have a round damper that is 8" in diameter or larger and your fireplace is capable of burning wood, then you have a prefabricated woodburning fireplace. This type of fireplace that can certainly accommodate a vented gas log and is burned with the damper open. You may also be able to install a ventless gas log into a prefabricated fireplace depending on the manufacturer and model fireplace you have. You must check with the owners manual to determine if ventless gas logs are allowed in your fireplace model. If the owners manual does not specifically state that you can install ventless gas logs, then you cannot There may also be limitations to the BTUs or the size of the ventless logs that the fireplace can accommodate, so be sure to check for that as well!

If you are still having difficulty determing what type of fireplace you have, just call us and we will help you figure it out. You can also take pictures of your fireplace and email them directly to me (the webmaster) at: gregt@hansenwholesale.com


Ventless Fireplaces and Fireboxes:

NOT for Vented Gas Logs
*Maybe OK for Ventless Gas Logs

Ventless (or Vent Free) fireplaces are similar to prefabricated wood burning fireplaces in that they are a metal box that is framed into your house with 2x4s. The big difference is that there is no chimney at all. Most ventless fireplaces come with a factory installed gas log and burner system and you cannot change it without causing serious safety issues. However, there are some ventless fireboxes that are specifically designed to accommodate an aftermarket ventless gas log of any brand. If you have the latter type, then you can use any of the ventless logs on our site, but you must be sure to consult the owners manual of the fireplace to find out what the size and BTU limitations are because there usually are such stipulations set by the factory and exceeding them can create a potential fire hazard.

You cannot install vented gas logs in a ventless fireplace under any circumstances.

If you are still having difficulty determing what type of fireplace you have, just call us and we will help you figure it out. You can also take pictures of your fireplace and email them directly to me (the webmaster) at: gregt@hansenwholesale.com


B-Vent Gas Fireplaces:

NOT for Vented Gas Logs
NOT for Ventless Gas Logs

B-Vent (or Natural Vent) Gas Fireplaces are built-in to your home just like a prefabricated wood burning fireplace. Many people mistake a vented gas fireplace for a wood buring fireplace, so it is very important that you double check to make sure you know what type of fireplace you have. The first clue that a fireplace is a B-Vent fireplace is the diameter of the flue. If the flue exits from the top of the firelpace and is less than 8" in diameter, then it is either a B-Vent or Direct Vent gas fireplace. In either case, they are dealt with the same way (see direct vent fireplaces below). A few gas fireplaces will in fact have an 8" diameter flue, which happens to be the same diameter as the smallest flue used in some wood buring prefab fireplaces. So you if this is the case be sure to check the owners manual if you are not sure if it is a wood or gas only fireplace.

B-Vent cannot handle the heat produced by burning real wood or gas logs nor is it capable of axhausting all the fumes. B-Vent gas fireplaces will come with factory installed gas logs that cannot be modified or changed in any way. If you do not like the way your gas fireplace burns, you will need to replace the entire fireplace. Important Note: You cannot install any of the gas logs on our web site in this type of gas fireplace. Doing so creates an xtreme safety hazard and can burn your house down!

If you are still having difficulty determing what type of fireplace you have, just call us and we will help you figure it out. You can also take pictures of your fireplace and email them directly to me (the webmaster) at: gregt@hansenwholesale.com


Direct Vent Gas Fireplaces:

NOT for Vented Gas Logs
NOT for Ventless Gas Logs

Direct Vent Gas Fireplaces are somewhat similar to B-Vent gas fireplaces except that the flue may be vented directly out the back and they have a sealed combustion chamber with a glass front that does not open. All direct vent gas fireplaces will come with factory installed gas logs that cannot be modified or changed in any way. If you do not like the way your direct vent gas fireplace burns, you will either need to replace the entire fireplace or contact the manufacturer to see if they have any available options for the logs. Important Note: You cannot install any of the gas logs on our web site in this type of vented gas fireplace. Doing so creates an extreme safety hazard.

If you are still having difficulty determing what type of fireplace you have, just call us and we will help you figure it out. You can also take pictures of your fireplace and email them directly to me (the webmaster) at: gregt@hansenwholesale.com


Wood and Gas Stoves:

NOT for Vented Gas Logs
NOT for Ventless Gas Logs

as logs cannot be installed in wood burning stoves or gas burning stoves. Wood stoves are designed to use far less air than wood burning fireplaces, so in most cases they have a 6" diameter vent that is not enough to properly exhaust the fumes given off by gas logs. Wood stoves generally tend to get hotter inside (because that is what they are designed to do) so the heat build-up can destroy the safety pilot assembly of a gas log. Wood stoves are also not tested and UL listed for use with gas logs, so not only will adding a gas log void the warranty of your stove (and gas log), if by chance the gas logs cause a fire and your home is damaged, it is possible that you will not be awared any adjustment from your insurance company. Gas stoves are just like gas fireplaces in that they are designed only to accommodate the gas log and burner system that they come with from the factory. The venting systems are not designed to handle the heat of a gas log and cannot exhaust the fumes properly. Using any other gas log in a gas stove than the ones that came with it can create a fire hazard or potential explosion. Important Note: Bottom line for wood and gas stoves is...you cannot install gas logs in them unless the manufacturer offers such an option, in which case you can only use those made specifically for your particular stove.


More details

This information was copied over from another location on our website, so although it repeats much of what is said above, there are some other tidbits here that may help you if you are still unclear about anything above.

VENTED gas logs can ONLY be installed in a fireplace that is fully capable of burning wood. That means that the chimney must be in good condition. So if you want to burn gas logs because you had you chimney inspected and were told it was not safe to burn wood because it leaks or something, then it is not safe to burn gas logs either.

Ventless gas logs can only be installed in wood burning fireplace OR a factory built ventless firebox that is rated for use with aftermarket ventless logs. Every ventless firebox has LIMITATIONS to how many BTUs are allowed and how large a log set it can accommodate. If you have a factory built ventless firebox, you MUST refer to the installation manual to get this information before you can know what will work.

VENTED gas logs flat-out CANNOT be installed in any Gas only fireplace. Although this sounds strange, gas fireplaces are designed to accommodate ONLY the log and burner combinations designed specifically for the particular appliance. Vented gas logs produce far more exhaust and require more draft than a gas only fireplace is designed to accommodate. They also may produce more heat than the venting system is rated for. Vented gas logs are NOT rated to be used with B-Vent period!

VENTED and VENTLESS gas logs CANNOT be installed in any Direct Vent gas fireplace. Direct vent fireplaces are the ones that have a sealed glass front. These are even more finely tuned to work only with the logs that they come with and it is quite dangerous to install anything in them other than what the manufacturer supplied with the unit.

Neither vented or ventless gas logs can be installed in any Wood Stove! Most wood stoves do NOT have a large enough diameter chimney to create a proper draft for a gas log. Wood stoves operate at a very low draft, which is what makes them desirable and efficient. Also, most wood stoves made in the last 20 years are not designed to be burned with the doors open, so gas logs are not appropriate just for that reason alone. Also, wood stoves are designed to capture more heat inside the burning chamber, so a gas log set would OVERHEAT inside a wood stove. Those who believe that a ventless gas log can work in a wood stove would be incorrect because of this factor alone. It is also rare that you can find a gas log small enough to fit properly into a wood stove. Regardless, you cannot install a gas log in any wood burning stove.

Free standing wood burning fireplaces, most commonly manufacturered by Malm, are treated just like a regular wood burning fireplace, so it is OK to install either vented or ventless gas logs in them if the fireplace and chimney is still in a condition that it is capable of burning wood.


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Answers to Recent Gas Logs Questions Posted To This Page
  1. Question #9272 - Posted: 1/28/2012 11:04:54 AM

    Gas Logs Question

    http://www.hansenwholesale.com/gas-logs/gaslogfaqs.asp

    we have direct vent gas fireplace, has on-off switch - will fireplace work when the power is out?

    Answer: We do not sell or support direct vent fireplaces. I would suggest that you Google the make and model of your fireplace to see if you can come up with an owners manual so you can learn how it operates. If you use the advanced search feature for Google you can select to search only for .pdf files, which will make it much easier to refine your search.

  2. Question #9267 - Posted: 1/12/2012 2:40:29 PM

    Gas Logs Question

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    Why do gas logs smoke up a room?

    Answer: Gas logs should NOT smoke up a room, so if that is what is happening with your gas log set, then something is definitely wrong. If you are burning the logs with your damper closed, that would explain it. But I assume that you are not doing that. It is possible that something is blocking your chimney, so you may need to have a chimney sweep come take a look. Some fireplaces are poorly designed and simply do not create enough draft, so both gas logs and real wood will smoke up the house. If your house is tightly sealed, your fireplace may not be able to create a draft, in which case you will need to open a window. It could be the gas log set you own is poorly made or installed incorrectly.

    If you email me some pictures of your fireplace and gas logs, I may be able to give you more direct input. Email your pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

  3. Question #9266 - Posted: 1/8/2012 10:09:18 AM

    Gas Logs Question

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    My fireplace does not have a damper but I want vented logs in it . What will I need to do in order to have vented gas logs in it?

    Answer: You do not have to have a damper to use vented gas logs since they are supposed to be burned with the damper open anyways. But, you must have a chimney. So, when you say you do not have a damper, do you actually have a chimney that vents the fireplace to above the roof line, or is it sealed off at the top inside your fireplace where the damper should be? If you email me some pictures of your fireplace so I can see what is inside...including how it looks at the top inside the opening, I may be able to offer you more information. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

  4. Question #9263 - Posted: 1/7/2012 11:13:21 AM

    Gas Logs Question

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    We want to be able to leave ventless gas logs on low setting all night to supplement our heat pump when it is going to be very cold (in teens to single digits) overnight, are these made to withstand this type of use?

    Answer: Ventless gas logs are not supposed to be burned for more than 6 continuous hours per day or more than a total of 40 hours per week. The owners manual on every ventless gas log will state this quite clearly. This is a national building code standard for your safety. The reason is that they produce a lot of water vapor, which can certainly lead to the production of mold and mildew if they are over-used. They also deplete the oxygen in the air and replace it with carbon dioxide, which is not healthy. They should NEVER be operated when you are sleeping or not in the room for extended periods of time.

  5. Question #9262 - Posted: 1/4/2012 10:32:34 PM

    Gas Logs Question - R.H. Peterson Model PL-CHFRG10-30-15P

    View  model PL-CHFRG10-30-15P
    PL-CHFRG10-30-15P - http://www.hansenwholesale.com/gas-logs/model.asp?SetModel=PL-CHFRG10-30-15P

    I have a G10-30-15P unit. Can I have the 15P control replaced by the 01VP control? If so, what is the cost?

    Answer: You cannot just replace the control and value, you must replace the entire burner system. This is part of the safety regulations for ventless products. There is no allowance for field conversions of ventless gas logs.

  6. Question #9261 - Posted: 12/31/2011 12:41:59 PM

    Gas Logs Question

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    I have gas logs in my original fireplace. I want to increase the heat output and want a remote control. What are my options? Thanks, Elizabeth

    Answer: Very little can be done to increase the heat output of an existing gas log, so you are most likely going to have to replace it with one designed for heat. Since you apparently are not getting much heat from your gas logs right now I assume you have a vented gas log set that must be burned with the damper open, so the heat goes up the chimney. If you really want heat, you need to replace the entire burner and log setup with a new Ventless gas log that can be burned with the damper closed. Ventless gas logs are not for everybody because they produce an odor that some people just do not like. My suggestion would be to read this article: Vented -vs- Ventless Gas Logs. I would also suggest that you email me some pictures of your fireplace and gas logs so I can see what you have as well as what could potentially be installed. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com and include your fireplace measurements (front width, front height, depth, rear width).

  7. Question #9260 - Posted: 12/31/2011 12:35:35 PM

    Gas Logs Question

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    Hello, I need 30" fireplace logs but want some with a great flame. I have logs but flame is very small,what set do you recommend that looks like a blazing fire?

    Answer: Without knowing how much flame you are getting right now it is difficult to compare to what you might expect to get from the best logs on the market today. Can you possibly take some pictures of your gas logs both on and off so I can see what we are up against?

    I will say that often times people buy logs that are simply too large for the fireplace. The larger the log set, the lower the flame is...which is just the nature of the beast. The reason being that there are building code restrictions on the amount of gas a burner can use, so the wider the burner is, the less height the flame can be. You might find that switching to a 24" gas log will produce the flame you desire without compromising the appearance in your fireplace. There are some 24" sets that are rather massive and may look better proportioned in your fireplace than the 30" set you have.

    So if you can email me some pictures, I will be able to give you more pertinent advice. I would also like the following measurements of your fireplace:

    Front Opening Width:
    Front Opening Height:
    Back Width:
    Depth front to back:

    Email pictures and info to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

  8. Question #9259 - Posted: 12/31/2011 10:08:31 AM

    Gas Logs Question - R.H. Peterson Model PL-CHDG4-24

    View  model PL-CHDG4-24
    PL-CHDG4-24 - http://www.hansenwholesale.com/gas-logs/model.asp?SetModel=PL-CHDG4-24

    Hi, We moved to a house in the ATL area w/Marco model 7928626 (solid wood fuel only). Dimensions are 30" Front X 15" Depth X 25" Rear width. Gas logs were already installed. We get major soot when lighting so we called out a local sweep. The sweep cleaned/inspected the chimney and quoted new charred oak logs for $821 (not sure if incl burner). Reading your site it looks like our soot problem may be related to having a gas starter which he never mentioned. What kind of setup can we get?

    Answer: Can you email me some pictures of your fireplace? Show me the entire fireplace as well as some shots of what you have inside. I'm sure I will be able to give you a second opinion as well as save you some money on the log set. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

  9. Question #9257 - Posted: 12/31/2011 9:59:53 AM

    Gas Logs Question

    http://www.hansenwholesale.com/gas-logs/why-ventless-gaslogs-smell.asp

    My Peterson gas logs are about 4 yrs old. The remote worked fine for two years but now does not. What could the problem be? Could it be the battery and can that be replaced?

    Answer: It is most likely the batteries. There is a battery in both the transmitter and the receiver. You should be able to find the battery easily. Replace both batteries, and if it does not solve your problem then email me directly and I'll help you get in touch with someone who can troubleshoot your burner.

  10. Question #9254 - Posted: 12/31/2011 9:29:27 AM

    Gas Logs Question

    http://www.hansenwholesale.com/gas-logs/how-safety-pilot-works.asp

    I have a gas fireplace with on pilot valve is this legle in California or should I install a pilot failsafe valve?

    Answer: Can you please restate your question...it does not make sense to me. Also, can you email me a picture of your fireplace and gas logs? That might help explain what you are trying to ask. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com

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