How a Gas Log Safety Pilot Works
and how to light a gas log safety pilot.
For details about gas log burners read: Gas Log Burners and Safety Pilot Controls
How does a gas log safety pilot work?
Aside from the electronic ignition systems, the basic premise for the safety pilots used on gas logs is the same as those used for decades with wall heaters,
hot water heaters, and nameless other gas appliances.
How do you light a gas log safety pilot?
You turn the control knob to the pilot position, push the knob in, light the pilot with a match, then hold the knob down for 30 seconds or so until the pilot stays lit by itself. Once the pilot light
will stay lit on its own, you can then move the knob to the "On" position. For manually operated gas logs such as the one pictured to the right, this will turn the logs on. For remote controlled
gas logs, this will put the valve in the necessary position for the remote control to actuate the burner.
What if the pilot will not stay lit?
If you cannot get the pilot to light at all, meaning you hold the button down in the pilot position and hold a match up to the pilot and nothing happens,
then either the valve is bad or something is abstructing the gas from coming into or going through the valve. If you can get the pilot to light with a match, but it will not stay
lit on its own after holding down the knob for 30 seconds, then put the knob back into the off position, wait 5 minutes and try again. If it still will not light, then something is definately wrong and
you should have a professional check it out.
This page is not meant to be a trouble-shooting guide for gas logs, but in general, if you cannot get your safety pilot to stay lit, It could be that the pilot flame needs adjustment, the
thermocouple has gone bad and needs to be replaced, the entire valve has overheated and must be replaced, or something is abstructing the gas line. In any case, it is probably time to seek the assistance
of a professional. Any plumber or heating and air conditioning service man who deals with gas appliances with a safety pilot should be able to help you.
How does a safety pilot actually work?
Although most of us have learned how to light one of these things at some time or other, few of us have any idea as to how this ingenious little safety system actually works.
So here is a brief, but hopefully useful explanation of how gas log safety pilots work so you can decide if it is something that you want or need. You may also find this information
helpful for any other device that has a similar safety pilot.
Gas Logs that have a safety pilot have a valve body that is attached directly to the burner. This valve body that has 2 separate valves inside that control the gas:
The valve to the main burner and the valve to the pilot flame.
When the pilot is lit, the flame directly hits what is called a thermocouple (or thermopile).
The thermocouple is the ingenious device that makes the whole system work. The physical properties of the thermocouple are such that it actually generates electricity when there is a great
enough difference in temparature between the tip of the thermocouple and the base.
If the pilot flame is too hot, then the entire thermocouple gets hot and there is not enough temperature difference to create a current. If the pilot
flame is too low or not coming into direct contact with the thermocouple (or simply blown out), then there is not enough heat to generate a current.
This is why the proper adjustment of the pilot flame is necessary for gas appliances that have a safety pilot.
Now, on to how the pilot system works.
The electricity from the thermocouple is used to power an electromagnet that holds the pilot valve open, thus allowing the pilot to stay lit by itself. The amount of electricity needed
must be within a certain range of millivolts in order for this to happen. If there is not enough electricity (or no electricity) being generated,
then the electromagnet no longer functions and the pilot valve shuts. When you turn the knob to the pilot position and push it in, you are in fact manually opening the valve to the
pilot flame. Once the pilot gets the thermocouple hot enough, the electromagnet engages and keeps the valve open.
This is why you need to keep the knob depressed for about 30 seconds.
After the pilot is lit and stays lit on its own after releasing the pilot know, you can then turn the knob to the "ON" position.
With manually operated safety pilots, turning the knob to the on position
will light the logs and you can adjust the flame height using the control knob.
With remote controlled systems, turning the knob to the on position simply puts the main valve in a position to be opened and closed
buy whatever means the remote control uses. In the case of a remote controlled valve, some will have a battery operated device that opens and closes the valve to the main burner, thus turning the logs
on and off. More sophisticated systems (called variable flame remotes) will have a battery operated motor attached to the flame adjustment knob that will allow you to adjust the flame height as well.
The main burner valve is designed such that if the pilot valve is closed, no gas can flow through the main valve, even if you have it in the on position.
So as long as the pilot light is on and heating the thermocouple
properly, the system is operational and gas can then be allowed to pass through the main burner valve. If the pilot light gets turned off or blown out (or in some cases gets too hot),
then all valves are closed and no gas can pass through the system.
When the main burner is turned on, either by a remote controlled unit or by manually turning a knob, gas flows through the main valve and comes out the holes in the burner.
The flame from the safety pilot is positioned just above the first several holes in the main burner, so when gas flows out of the main burner and reaches the safety pilot, it automatically ignites.
So again, if the safety pilot is not lit (or for some reason the safety pilot gets blown out), the system automatically closes both valves so that no gas will
flow through either valve until the safety pilot is re-lit.
This prevents the system from allowing gas to flow freely into your home at any time in the event that the safety pilot blows out, or someone turns on the gas to your fireplace
without lighting it.
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- Question #9272 - Posted: 1/28/2012 11:04:54 AM
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we have direct vent gas fireplace, has on-off switch - will fireplace work when the power is out?
Answer: We do not sell or support direct vent fireplaces. I would suggest that you Google the make and model of your fireplace to see if you can come up with an owners manual so you can learn how it operates. If you use the advanced search feature for Google you can select to search only for .pdf files, which will make it much easier to refine your search.
- Question #9267 - Posted: 1/12/2012 2:40:29 PM
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Why do gas logs smoke up a room?
Answer: Gas logs should NOT smoke up a room, so if that is what is happening with your gas log set, then something is definitely wrong. If you are burning the logs with your damper closed, that would explain it. But I assume that you are not doing that. It is possible that something is blocking your chimney, so you may need to have a chimney sweep come take a look. Some fireplaces are poorly designed and simply do not create enough draft, so both gas logs and real wood will smoke up the house. If your house is tightly sealed, your fireplace may not be able to create a draft, in which case you will need to open a window. It could be the gas log set you own is poorly made or installed incorrectly.
If you email me some pictures of your fireplace and gas logs, I may be able to give you more direct input. Email your pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com
- Question #9266 - Posted: 1/8/2012 10:09:18 AM
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My fireplace does not have a damper but I want vented logs in it . What will I need to do in order to have vented gas logs in it?
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- Question #9263 - Posted: 1/7/2012 11:13:21 AM
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We want to be able to leave ventless gas logs on low setting all night to supplement our heat pump when it is going to be very cold (in teens to single digits) overnight, are these made to withstand this type of use?
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- Question #9261 - Posted: 12/31/2011 12:41:59 PM
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I have gas logs in my original fireplace. I want to increase the heat output and want a remote control. What are my options? Thanks, Elizabeth
Answer: Very little can be done to increase the heat output of an existing gas log, so you are most likely going to have to replace it with one designed for heat. Since you apparently are not getting much heat from your gas logs right now I assume you have a vented gas log set that must be burned with the damper open, so the heat goes up the chimney. If you really want heat, you need to replace the entire burner and log setup with a new Ventless gas log that can be burned with the damper closed. Ventless gas logs are not for everybody because they produce an odor that some people just do not like. My suggestion would be to read this article:
Vented -vs- Ventless Gas Logs. I would also suggest that you email me some pictures of your fireplace and gas logs so I can see what you have as well as what could potentially be installed. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com and include your fireplace measurements (front width, front height, depth, rear width).
- Question #9260 - Posted: 12/31/2011 12:35:35 PM
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Hello,
I need 30" fireplace logs but want some with a great flame. I have logs but flame is very small,what set do you recommend that looks like a blazing fire?
Answer: Without knowing how much flame you are getting right now it is difficult to compare to what you might expect to get from the best logs on the market today. Can you possibly take some pictures of your gas logs both on and off so I can see what we are up against?
I will say that often times people buy logs that are simply too large for the fireplace. The larger the log set, the lower the flame is...which is just the nature of the beast. The reason being that there are building code restrictions on the amount of gas a burner can use, so the wider the burner is, the less height the flame can be. You might find that switching to a 24" gas log will produce the flame you desire without compromising the appearance in your fireplace. There are some 24" sets that are rather massive and may look better proportioned in your fireplace than the 30" set you have.
So if you can email me some pictures, I will be able to give you more pertinent advice. I would also like the following measurements of your fireplace:
Front Opening Width:
Front Opening Height:
Back Width:
Depth front to back:
Email pictures and info to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com
- Question #9259 - Posted: 12/31/2011 10:08:31 AM
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Hi,
We moved to a house in the ATL area w/Marco model 7928626 (solid wood fuel only). Dimensions are 30" Front X 15" Depth X 25" Rear width. Gas logs were already installed. We get major soot when lighting so we called out a local sweep. The sweep cleaned/inspected the chimney and quoted new charred oak logs for $821 (not sure if incl burner). Reading your site it looks like our soot problem may be related to having a gas starter which he never mentioned. What kind of setup can we get?
Answer: Can you email me some pictures of your fireplace? Show me the entire fireplace as well as some shots of what you have inside. I'm sure I will be able to give you a second opinion as well as save you some money on the log set. Email pictures to: gregt@hansenwholesale.com
- Question #9257 - Posted: 12/31/2011 9:59:53 AM
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My Peterson gas logs are about 4 yrs old. The remote worked fine for two years but now does not. What could the problem be? Could it be the battery and can that be replaced?
Answer: It is most likely the batteries. There is a battery in both the transmitter and the receiver. You should be able to find the battery easily. Replace both batteries, and if it does not solve your problem then email me directly and I'll help you get in touch with someone who can troubleshoot your burner.
- Question #9254 - Posted: 12/31/2011 9:29:27 AM
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I have a gas fireplace with on pilot valve is this legle in California or should I install a pilot failsafe valve?
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